Mark Driscoll’s Case for MGTOW

http://pastormark.tv/2012/11/25/men-dont-give-women-a-reason-to-fear

Writings like this make MGTOW a far more appealing option than most Manospherians ever could. Let’s look a some highlights.

“Gentlemen, it is a terrifying thing for a woman to trust a sinful man.”
Of course. The woman isn’t sinful and isn’t capable of Frivorce-raping her husband, so she is the only one who should fear.

If you don’t honor your marriage, your wife is statistically likely to face poverty upon divorce. If you have children, she will become yet another single mother. She’ll have to find a way to explain to the children why they shouldn’t be embittered against you. Many women have seen this play out in so many different ways, it’s not wonder they’re fearful and suspicious of of men.
Let’s go ask some divorced guys over at Dalrock’s and get their opinion on this. Bottom line: Don’t force your wife to divorce you. And stop hitting yourself while you’re at it.

For some women, their version of slavery and captivity and torment is called marriage.
I guess women are having more and more manly problems by the day.

Ladies, if you’re dating a guy who has ever been physically violent, run for your life, run for your children’s life, run for your grandchildren’s life.”
Sure, you say that now, but women who stay in these relationships do it for the insanely hot make-up sex. Watch what she does, not what she says. They love the emotional rush of oxytocin.

The grossest, vilest thing is a man who hits a woman, and the man who hits a woman is willing to hit his own daughter.”
Do modern human beings need to be told these types of things, especially in such a blanket statement? What if you spank your daughter because she is being punished? I also think Mark needs to meet some of the women out there, clearly there is a case for them to receive a fierce lashing. Or he could just read “50 Shades of Grey“.

She wants you to be passionate and loving and honest, and she wants to know you and she wants to be known by you.
Then
“You may not hit her, you may not yell at her, but you didn’t love her. You didn’t connect with her. You didn’t encourage her. You didn’t pursue her.
How can a man pursue a woman who he has put in position as a mother?

You start saying horrible things about your wife, and the children will be left in this terrible position of choosing between their mother and father. Invariably some of the children will despise their own mother and speak evil of her in an effort to remain loyal to their father.
I’m very confident that this is the only place I’ve ever seen a father accused of biasing his children against his mother. Usually, this only happens when the children grow up and realize that their mother nuked the marriage. At this point, Mark is literally projecting female sins on to men.

In Genesis, the woman’s curse was her children and submitting to her husband; the man’s curse was providing for his family.
NO. A woman’s curse is to WANT TO CONTROL HER HUSBAND (“desire after her husband”, “Desire” means control in this context), despite being more fulfilled by actually submitting to him. A Man’s curse is that work will be difficult and unfulfilling, not that he’ll have to do it (Adam’s express purpose for being created was to work in the garden, how could that possibly be the curse?). Has this man ever bothered to open the Bible?

The weakest men among us force their wife to carry both curses, as if to say, “My load is heavy, and I know yours is heavy, but I need you to carry half of mine too.
HAHAHAHAHA! Yes, because so many young women are ready to jump into marriage BEFORE they start their careers nowadays.

You’ve got to work hard. You’ve got to out-work other men if you want to feed your family. That’s your responsibility as a man. If you want any men to respect you, if you want your wife to respect you, if you want your children to respect you, pay the bills. You make the money; you feed the family.
Even if you aren’t married, you have to work hard. You Betas out there need to pay all the taxes to fund the slutty-single mom’s bastard brood.

We live in this day where there are guys telling their wives to get an abortion, get a job, and avoid having kids, all because the husband is unwilling to take on the responsibility necessary to provide for a family.
Stop making things up, Mark. I’m pretty sure the majority of married women getting abortions are doing so without their husbands knowledge.

It’s tragic when a woman who loves Jesus and wants to be a mom has a husband who keeps telling her no. He’s essentially abusing his role as head of household by commanding his wife to sin and deny all of her maternal instincts. Titus 2 commends women for “working at home” and cultivating a homeward orientation.
To deny her maternal duty is sin? He better call up the Spinster Cat-Lady Brigade and let them know that they sinned because they didn’t crank out some babies. That’s a sermon I’d love to watch delivered while I stood behind bullet-proof glass.

The latest statistics indicate that the majority of children born to women under the age of 30 are born out of wedlock. It is now at the point where women aren’t even pretending they’re going to ever get married.
Well, maybe these young ladies should stop FUCKING assholes and cads who aren’t going to take care of them when they get pregnant. Can we cast some blame on them because they can’t keep their stupid legs closed to every passing douchebag with fluffy sunglasses who can squirt his ejaculate into her without even making eye contact?

Today, women go to college, get a good job, get pregnant, have a kid—alone. They’ve lost any hope of ever finding a guy who can actually carry the load, and that’s tragic. We’re a culture that is working hard to protect women and children, and no one has the common sense to beat on the guys who are the cause of so much of the pain.
They haven’t lost any hope to finding a guy to marry them. They aren’t even trying to get married because that isn’t what they are looking for. They are slaves to the almighty vagina tingle and hamster wheel. Don’t place this responsibility on the men in your congregation. This dumbass doesn’t realize that women still control the sex supply and if they started limiting it, they would be more marriageable.

Many men are not generous with their wives. I know one guy who makes decent money, and he’s totally chintzy with his wife. She gets no spending money, can’t go out to coffee with the girls because he’s a total control freak and a tightwad.
Maybe he’s paying off her student loans or the dream house she wanted but couldn’t quite afford on one salary. Also, making your own coffee is much tastier, healthier and cheaper than going out for coffee. Then again, if the wife go out for coffee with the girls I think it is entirely fair to say that Mr. husband can go out for beers with his buddies.

Why? Either because the husband can’t run numbers on taxes, or he’s not smart enough to find somebody else to figure it out for him. He simply says, “Put the kids in daycare, get a job, and shoulder half of my curse.”
Or the Mrs. spent lots of money on getting her JD or MD then starting her high-powered career and has no desire to give any of that up or they just plain cannot afford the $100,000 debt she put herself in on one salary.

A wife will be so forgiving of so many things if she actually knows her husband desperately loves their children, that he serves them, that he cares for them, that he’s tender with them, that he’s pastor dad for them. So few children actually have a father. So few of those with fathers have a Christian father, and even fewer actually have a dad who’s doing his job.
Tell that to all the guys whose wives divorced them frivolously.

And there we have it folks. According to Mark Driscoll, men are only here to serve the Feminine Imperative and if they don’t, he will yell at them and call them idiots in public. The Feminine Imperative or the true nature of females is not to be discussed nor considered when giving advice to men on navigating the shark-infested waters of marriage these days. But then again, if they were discussed, the number of men wanting to get married would drop even further (especially as they get into their late 20s and start their 30s) since they would realize in greater numbers that they are being used as chumps.

Mark also assumes the sale when it comes to men getting married. He assumes that a man’s only function is to serve the feminine imperative. So to destroy his entire frame, one would simply have to ask “What if I don’t want to associate with any woman I’m not related to? Then there is no chance that any woman will be afraid of me.”
I don’t think he would be able to yell and insult his way out of that one. And yelling at a man’s back as he walks away isn’t going to accomplish much either.

The answer to men like Driscoll and their agenda isn’t anger or hatred, but indifference.
Just as the opposite of love isn’t hatred or anger, but indifference. So to is the ultimate opposite to the Feminine Imperative, MGTOW.

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18 Responses to Mark Driscoll’s Case for MGTOW

  1. ballista74 says:

    Mark also assumes the sale when it comes to men getting married. He assumes that a man’s only function is to serve the feminine imperative. So to destroy his entire frame, one would simply have to ask “What if I don’t want to associate with any woman I’m not related to? Then there is no chance that any woman will be afraid of me.”

    Actually as he has already elucidated in several of his man-up rants (see a post or two of mine, but Dalrock’s especially), Driscoll’s frame won’t be destroyed by that. Single women are a travesty because those single men won’t man up and marry those chaste and wonderful single women sluts. So if you’re not married in Driscoll’s eyes, your less than pond scum.

    • ar10308 says:

      Good point. However, he has no Biblical justification for holding that frame.

      If I were to ask “Why do I have to get married?” He couldn’t answer me with a legitimate Biblical answer.

      • ballista74 says:

        Exactly. That’s what I find studying just about every popularly circulated “pastor”, “preacher”, or “ministry head” (best that I can call Gregoire). None of them have a correct Biblical frame when it comes to one or many more of these issues, and are almost always pitching Marriage 2.0.

      • Saiwyn_Hy says:

        ar10308, This may help…

        Now concerning the unmarried, I have no command of the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. I think that in view of the present distress it is well for a person to remain as he is. Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. But if you marry, you do not sin, and if a girl marries she does not sin. Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that.” (1 Corinthians 7:18-28 RSV)

      • ar10308 says:

        It does little for the fact that I burn in a Biblical sense…

  2. okrahead says:

    Mark said, “In Genesis, the woman’s curse was her children and submitting to her husband,,,”
    Okay, that’s his version, let’s see what Moses actually wrote…
    Genesis 3:16: “Unto the woman he said,
    I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
    in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;
    and thy desire shall be to thy husband,
    and he shall rule over thee.”
    So, um, Mark, gonna have to call bulls— on “her children.” Does Mark really believe God never intended for Adam and Eve to have any children? No, her curse was pain in childbirth… If you look at the animal kingdom, you will see that human females are pretty much unique in the extreme pain brought on by childbirth. This was Eve’s curse. Apparently in Mark’s version of Eden Adam and Eve were eternally celibate and sterile. Puerile nonsense, which of course explains his appeal to churchian feminists.

  3. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    There’s going to be a market for Driscoll’s ilk, and what they’re selling will collapse on its own. The best response is to ignore the yapping and get on with life.

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  5. Retrenched says:

    Incidentally, where in the church is the female equivalent of Driscoll? Where are the female leaders telling women how to be better wives, or how to care for their husband’s needs? Where are the female leaders telling the women to love and appreciate their husbands more?

    The fact that there are so many Driscolls in the church and so few (if any) female equivalents is as good an indicator as any of how feminized and fem-centric modern Christianity has become.

    • sunshinemary says:

      Yes, indeed, where are the women? Actually, no one woman dares to do it. The Team Woman herd descends immediately to take her out if she does. Trust me on this one.

      • ar10308 says:

        @SSM,
        There are some women who affirming God’s picture for marriage, but they just don’t have a big platform like these wolves in robes do.
        I highly suggest you look into this study:

        http://www.5aspects.org/resource/

        Download the Introduction and give it a listen. It lays out some very foundational ideas about Biblical femininity.
        And just look at the aspects they discuss: Mistress of the Domain, Helper/Completer, Lifegiver, Lady of Wisdom, Glory of Man.
        All very Biblical, all very affirming of femininity. No Warrior-Princess/God’s Chosen Daughter nonsense here.

      • Chris says:

        Hmmm… let’s see…

        CL
        Alte
        Elspeth
        Grerp
        SSM

        All have had the harpies descend on them with fire and sword. These women are hated more than KatieShadie, AnnCoulter & MichelleMalkin combined.

        So, SSM is correct….

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  7. 22to28 says:

    @ Chris

    Women don’t have a very friendly relationship with the truth. In my workplace, anyone willing to state that which they can back up with science and numerous studies will be branded a sexist and gossiped about until all the women give him a cold shoulder whether or not they’ve personally been offended or not.

    The fun is conquering all with winning social skills and eventually undermining the harpies by establish a fan-base of women (however few) that do appreciate a man who doesn’t lie to them. This takes time, finesse and a solid strategy, but is very rewarding once accomplished. Eventually people start public asking the question, “why did we ever have a problem with this guy?”

    Of course, by then your frame is set as someone who takes no prisoners and can get away with it and no one f***s with you any more.

    If done wrong, you get fired.

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  9. Sis says:

    Some men really are jerks, some women really are horrible, choose wisely and then honor your vows, marrying an idiot doesn’t excuse you from being a good spouse in return and if you or your children are in danger then leave.

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  11. Jason says:

    Yeah….in today’s Church…women just have to “show up” and men have to “man up” and push themselves to an earlier grave with standards that Christ alone could only do. Thank you Pastor Driscoll, you have finally made me realize that I never want to get married now.

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